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Can't see the Lib Dems being too popular if in a couple of years time we get a massive bill for putting waste in landfill. You can only fight the government so long, and it's not worth it over the bins.
Hi
my husband and I have just returned from our first, hopefully of many, visits to the Iron Men at Crosby. Please continue to support and lend your voice to those wishing to keep this installation.
As a work of art in nature it has captured the imagination of many throughout the world and does credit to the region.
Regards
Jan Brightmore
Helen
from Liverpool
16:00:03 17 January 2007
I Don't agree that Danielle Lloyd is racist. She is simply ignorant, not very bright and clearly very, very jealous as Shilpa is naurally beautiful and talented.....
I welcome the news that the Chief Constable of Merseyside Police is calling for Amnesty on Dangerous Dogs.
As far as I am concerned, dangerous dogs are a form of offensive weapon (not defined from a legal persective, but from a perspective of the right minded people), that if in the custody of the wrong hands, could prove very very precarious indeed.
I only hope that Merseysides call for such a worthwhile initiative has a domino effect on the other counties throughout the UK.
John Reid MP, sit up and take notice!
Andrew Tuft
from Liverpool
11:03:36 08 December 2006
There are plans to house ex-offenders in a residential area of Orrell Park. What does everyone think about this?
Chris James
from merseyside
06:07:22 04 December 2006
Smoking has had its day, It is time for a ban as nothing positive comes from it. A large majority of smokers have little or no regard for non smokers and most think that it is there god given right to light up where they want. As well as being environmently unpleasant the site of somebody with a cigarrette hanging out of their mouth is awful, For example stand outside any A and E and you will see patients sometimes on a drip puffing away in their nighties. I believe a ban on hospital treatment should be next as I have little sympathy for smokers as their illness's are self inflicted!This ban is great as these
John Pagan
from Liverpool
16:22:47 28 November 2006
I cannot believe Cllr clien for the lib dems has attacked intellegent design - how illiberal. If he doesnt agree with it and has a different scientific understanding then fine - but to attack it without giving it respect and debate is simply il-liberal. As a liberal and liberal democrat voter - his lack of tolerance has upset me - my vote shall be going elsewhere next may in protest!
barrie russell
from widnes
12:06:02 10 November 2006
The benefits to Crosby by having this exceptional work of art far out way the arguments that safety is compromised. We should embrace the change and celebrate the opportunity presented to us by Antony's masterpiece
SHEENA
20:23:16 05 November 2006
THE IRON MEN ARE WONDERFUL, PLEASE KEEP THEM HERE, LIVERPOOL DESERVES THEM WE ARE GOING TO SEE THEM AGAIN NEXT WEEK. LEAVE THEM WHERE THEY ARE.
i think the iron men shud stay on crosby i think fire works shud be sold on the day our on the day before and thier shud be police round evrey street from the day before and the day so people caunt throw fireworks in peoples hopuses and cars thank you bye
i think the iron men shud stay on crosby beach sefton comcil can make a waterproof syighn to say befare iron men on the beach do not o past this piont thank bye bye bye byebye bye bye
dear people incharge of iron men on crosby beach i think the iron men shud stay on the beach me and the dogs love them and it would be broken hearted to let them go and the ice cream man needs the money on burbo bank beach crosby and we like to see how deep the water is om them i will cry if you our any one els lets them go cause people liked southport fair but then it shut down if you dont keep the iron men the bruing a fair to southport liverpool preston and put iron women on the beach then iron men again please please please dont let them go thankyou and i think fireworks shud be sold on the day our day before and hallween shud still go on but ban misteif night cause its a pain cleanibng bus windows house windows doors bricks and broken window please do reply to let me know about this but just keep the iron men if boat people crash thats thier folt and if we keep them sefton
me and my family and dogs fish cats want the iron people to stay on crosby beach
because we caunt have southport fair so we shopuld keep the statues because its the peoples falt if theyhit the statues and if we keep them we can make a dyighn to say dont go past this point statues thier can be hurt if do and my dogs loves the men cause they play around them and we still have loads off space to go boating in the sea and we can stillplay in the sand just rais money in all the shops and then it goes to the concil just please keep them and i also think the ice cream m,an on burbo bank beach is making loads of money just please keep them for me thank you
Suzanne
from Preston
11:39:32 03 November 2006
The ironmen are an inspiration - 'another thing' that is being stifled by an over-exaggerated fear of litigation and 'another manifestation' of the nanny state. They should stay put.
We had hoped that following the victory by Elizabeth Pascoe in the High Court, Liverpool City Council would accept the legal ruling and at long last progress a scheme of extending the M62 /Edge Lane corridor without the needless demolition of hundreds of homes and businesses either side of the route
Once again Mrs. Pascoe had to rush to the courts and issue an injunction to prevent this
This case is not just about peoples right to live in their home unmolested by CPO.
Its time to rethink this whole policy and not just for Edge Lane
Cllrs Steve Radford,
Liberal Party Group
Mary Smith
from Wirral
14:44:33 29 October 2006
Why not let the iron men stay, they are not claiming benefits and don't eat anything.
I am an ex-kirkby resident brought up schooled there and I regularly return. Until 'Another Place', however I had not in 20 years revisited Crosby, but have been there 6 times in the past year and taken friends to wonder and be moved by the beautiful work.
If Planners in Liverpool were to adopt an entirely practical view with no aspirations why not have a hospital in the great space of the walker art gallery or turn over Lady Lever gallery to house a depot for bin lorries...
Great cities have always been measured by their art and thinking, why not give up on the Capital of Culture and plump for the self elected and autonomous capital of philistines, and then count the visitors.
I am not cynical, just deeply dissapinted and saddened that Planners can not see the great cultural crime they commit in simply being mean minded enough not to grant a stay at least until 2008.
I am not convinced by the arguments to have them removed.Not before time has Liverpool really achieved something in the art world which is truly imaginative and interesting.Keep them !
I am astonished that thanks to conservative councillor Debi Jones,
Crosby beach will lose the landmark installation of Anthony
Gormley's Iron Men. Ms Jones, who hopes to be Crosby's next MP has
decided that they are a danger. To whom? The coastguards have had no
objections. Neither has the Royal National Lifeboat Institution.
Does she think that we are all so risk-resistant that we couldn't
chance the remote prospect of a fishingboat running into one of
Gormleys' 100 magnificent cast iron men? Never mind that I've never seen a fishing boat in all my years of living there; why didn't she raise it with Sefton's planning committee before
they were installed?
Councillor Jones has cost us not only a reputation for culture just
a couple of years short of 2008 and the income generated from
hundreds of thousands of visitors to the area but also a wonderful
iconic work of art that we are unlikely to match in its scale and
its impact ever again.
a decision was made by the planning committee to remove the statues by a unanimous vote ,maybe a more detailed study of where the statues location should have taken place before they were installed at crosby beach and i would like to have seen the report and risk assessment that was carried out before installation,by all means put them at west kirby near the marina and upset all the locals over there, i bet they complain louder than the people of sefton ...
Carl Kelleher
from Liverpool
18:42:57 24 October 2006
The run down, dingy and surprisingly undeveloped marina site at Waterloo, running up to Blundelsands, is no surprise when one considers the provincial, short sighted view of those opposing the retention of the Gormley statues. These statues have provided the one opportunity for reflection and thought in a drab and poorly developed area. Will Sefton show some imagination and show the world there's more to the area than fast food outlets and hooded yoots!
Steve
from Liverpool
13:39:09 24 October 2006
£2 million pounds??? There must be better ways to spend the money on something that will benefit the community instead of some second hand statues that are rusting away.
I really feel that the statues at Antony Gormley's Another Place are brilliant. I have taken my children to see them and they attract interest from people of all walks of life. The city should take pride in them and do everthing possible to keep them on our coastline. They are a work of art and another valubale addition to Capital of Culture. Please dont take the alternative and rid Liverpool of more culture before our big year is here. Keep this artistic wonder for all to see even if it means moving them to another part of the coast.
The debate on quangos raises fundamental questions about the regeneration of the city.
Do we want to entrust Liverpool's regeneration to unelected and unaccountable agencies who can spend millions of pounds of the public's money, without being democratically held to account?
The answer must surely be 'no'.
Why not bring Liverpool Vision, the Land Development Company et al, together under the umbrella of the city council to ensure there is proper, democratic accountability and examination?
Then a new merged organisation should be given the freedom to work at arms length of the council's bureacracy, without becoming suffocated by its deadly grip.
It would have to regularly report about what it had achieved and how it had spent public money.
And it would have to be open to questions, with its meetings held in public, not as at present, behind closed doors.
Certainly, Liverpool has grown up enough to be trusted with its own future.
But at the heart of that future must be democracy.
