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ECHO Biteback campaign THE ECHO is launching a fightback against yobs blighting our communities with dangerous dogs. We want tough new laws and bigger penalties for thug owners who set their animals on other pets for sport or allow them to attack people in the street. What do you think? Send us your views.
Dave
from Liverpool
12:59:50 26 April 2007
I'm sick of illegal dog lovers raising that Labrador story as evidence that other breeds attack people - that particular labrador was trying to save it's stupid owners life and it succeeded. It didn't savage her for no reason what so ever. There is a big difference between being bitten and being savaged and you never hear of a pit bull type biting, they always savage, they always go for the kill and the sooner they are off the street the sooner we can all relax.
Dave
from Whiston
14:34:43 19 April 2007
Dave liverpool, no it's not a fact that bull breeds savage! if that attack was even half as bad as the boy said it was he would still be in hospital! that my friend is a fact! and let us not forget that it was a labrador that ripped it's owners face off in france!
Moz
from Stoke
14:22:42 19 April 2007
Dave, a labrador was responsible for the first face transplant operation ever. Bull Breed owners, responsible ones, are fully aware of the potential their dogs have to cause horrific injuries. I am a staffy owner, my dog is my responsibility and nobody elses, and I should pay the consequences if another dog or person is injured as a result of my dog being out of control. The dog that attacked the person you referred to was free to roam the streets. If the owner showed that level of responsibility, imagine how poorly they treated the dog when it was in their possession. Also, this attack involved a pit bull type, not; a staffy, a english bull, a boxer, a rottweiller, a bulldog etc etc. Explain to me why these breeds and their responsible owners should be punished due to the irresponsible actions of a small minority.
Moz
from Stoke
09:39:29 18 April 2007
Dawn, no staffy's aren't banned. They are the 5th most popular breed in the country, which is why you see a lot of them. Their popularity is often their downfall, as irresponsible breeders without the breeds best interests at heart aim to make a quick bit of money. Sometimes this results in staffies falling out of the breed standard, they are taller, and as a result can be dragged under scrutiny of the dda by the description type within the legislation. Tomzo, thank god you're not in a position to make changes to the country.
Dave
from Liverpool
08:22:24 18 April 2007
Quote from victim of latest bull breed attack: Tommy said: The dog came up and started sniffing around my ankles. The next minute it got hold of my leg and wouldnt let go.
My mates were trying to help and one ran into his house and came out with a kettle to wet the dog, but it still didnt stop.
Another one of my mates was hitting it with a mop but its jaws were locked on my leg. Even when it let go for a second it was soon biting again.
While dogs like labradors bite, bull breeds savage and they don't stop until you either seriously hurt or kill them. This is a fact bull breed lovers will attack me for even though it is a fact. Get rid of the lot!
shud be banned, of the streets 4EVER! thay dont help us, so, why should we have them kind of dogs, way too dangerous, pit bulls, and and other kind of vicious dog should be gone. the only dog that should be allowed is a poodle or maybe a yorkie, and I am petrified of dogs, and if vicious dogs on streets Muzzles! and on a lead
Hi all i have set up a web site and a petition if any one wants the links email me and i will give them to you. we need to do something about the culling of this beloved pets
Sarah
22:21:55 08 April 2007
Think the law is that if a dog attacks someone it is the fault of the person with the dog at the time, not the owner. Seems a very light sentence for what this man has caused eh? he will get his comeuppence I suppose.
Moz
from Stoke
09:11:43 05 April 2007
Dave, the uncle has been charged with possession of a dangerous dog. This is where the law is in need of a review. If the dog that attacked Ellie had have been a staffy, rottweiller, shitzu, Jack Russell etc etc, then the uncle who trained this dog to be aggressive would walk scott free with no charge whatsoever. He did not act responsibly once the dog attacked somebody else prior to the incident, the dog should have been pts then, no hesitation. Instead he was looking to pass the dog on to somebody else, knowing full well that it had shown signs of aggression to humans in the past. How is that a responsible act??? The law as it stands does say that any breed out of control and acting dangerously in a public place, can make the owner liable to punishment under the dda. But this was on private property, so only the fact that it was an illegal breed has meant that the uncle has been charged.
what about the uncle???? what does he get? yes the grandmother should be charged but what about the thug who trained the dog to be so aggresive?
Sarah
23:00:02 03 April 2007
Hip hip hooray! The law finally gets it right! Its about time people were held responsible for their dogs actions. And not just the bullbreeds either, ANY dogs actions!! Lets hope they begin to leave bull breeds alone and this sounds as if they have taken note that if you have an irresponsible owner, you can have a problem dog. Sounds too good to be true but I suppose its a small start. Ban stupid people, leave the dogs alone!!!!
deednotbreed
17:16:12 03 April 2007
If your dog has been taken and or you are due to appear in court at the end of this month please contact Deed Not Breed for help and advice on 0870 034 5562 or 0870 034 5563 in confidence.
Moz
from Stoke
13:59:32 03 April 2007
I have read today that Ellie's nan has been charged with manslaughter, and so she should. How anybody in their right mind could knowingly leave a child with a dog that had in the past been aggressive towards people, is beyond me. The dog should have pts the moment it attacked somebody, which is a shame for the dog as it was only acting the way it had been raised, aggressively. This is the sort of action that needs to be taken, against the owners, not by setting up amnesties so that the unfortunate innocent responsible dog people out there lose their family pet. At last somebody has shown some common sense.
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I phoned the police - but they were not at all interested, saying they would pass it on to the coun cil dog warden and that I shouldnt have phonedd 999. Hello - illegal dogs!!!! intimidating innocent passers by!!! they know they can get away with it and that the police arnt really interested.
I bet if I kicked or stabbed one of the dogs cos the yobs tried to set it on me - the police would soon nick me.
Im sorry Echo - but you campaign had success for just a couple of weeks - but now things are back to the bad old ways again.
I must reiterate - I am not agianst the breed - I know some lovely Pit type pets - it is the idiots who own them I have the problem with and as the npolice appear to have stopped acting - they are back on the streets laughing and intimidating people.
Get your campaign back in the headlines and put some more pressure on please Echo, before someone is hurt again.
Dog lover
from Liverpool
23:15:52 02 April 2007
Well - although i agree about dealing with the yob owner - not the breed - I must say that since the Amnesty and the dogs being seized, both princes and Sefton Parks have been more pleasant and less intimidating places to walk my dog.
UNTIL LAST WEEK - the police must have lost interst now that the publicity has died down and the yobs have decided it is OK to re -emerge again. Sefton Park and especially around the cafe is rife again with gangs of kids and plastic gangsters and their intimidating dogs making up for their owners small d*cks and small brains.
At Kimos Cafe on Mrytle street tonight there was a gang of hoodies with 2 pitbulls blocking the door to the cafe and intimidating passers by.
Moz
from Stoke
12:01:13 29 March 2007
Spot, the issue surrounding the labrador is in reference to the french lady who was the first person to have a face transplant after a labrador attacked her. Like you, I aren't fully aware of the facts, however under no circumstances would, or should, anyone consider banning labradors as a breed due to this one incident. If people reply and say, well it is happening all of the time with bull breeds, the truth is, bite statistics in the US show that labradors hold the highest number of attacks on humans, followed by springer spaniels. These incidents are rarely reported. It all boils down to owners being responsible for their dogs actions.
Moz
from Stoke
12:07:48 29 March 2007
I think people made an assumption given that in your post you used the words... two grown men couldn't control THESE dogs. I used to have a kerry blue terrier, he was extremely dog aggressive, but he was under control at all times in a public place. I was young when we had him, so my father would be with me if we took him out, as he could have pulled me over no problem. It is people like the one that allowed the 12 year old out with not one but two staffies without responsible adult supervision, that gives the breed a bad name.
Im not saying its all them kinds of dogs, what Im saying is that I would rather put my dogs on a lead and everyone else the same than see someone get hurt like i had too. Im not sayin put all dogs down a certain breed I dont believe in that I just think everyone should use their brains and take the necessary precautions so no one gets hurt.
Moz
from Stoke
09:05:25 28 March 2007
Wazza, when people have made what I would say are good comments, I have agreed with them. However comments like the one janet made saying, why would anyone want to own a bull breed, are just bound to cause a reaction from owners of breeds she refers to. As a form of defence, I posted the point about staffies being one of only 2 (if it is now 3, then it has changed recently) breeds with the statement about children in their breed standard. That in no way implies that other breeds are not good with children, its just that staffy owners are protective of their breed especially when potentially damaging statements such as the one Janet made are posted on here. Staffies are referred to as the Nanny dog, due to their affection for children. If people feel belittled by my comments then that is not my intention. Sometimes comments made on here have been made without fully understanding what they are commenting on, with little or no research into the dogs they mention.
Moz
from Stoke
08:57:57 28 March 2007
Spot, yes the DDA does state that dogs on the dd list should be muzzled in public, I have already posted on here that that is the case. However most attacks occur on private property, hence the dogs are not muzzled. How many dog attacks occur when a dog is unmuzzled, however under control by a responsible adult in a public place. I would like to know the figures.
doglover
from liverpool
08:01:10 28 March 2007
It seems that 99% of people on here agree that the problem is NOT dog the dog or the TYPE OF BREED, but the owner. I am afraid sadly that our comments are falling on deaf ears. As this newspaper has been intent on pushing for the flawed amnesty, maybe it could now take into account its readers opinion, research other orgs opinions like the KC, RSPCA, DOGSTRUST etc, and working with them, put together a plan for discussion to overhaul the existing dogs laws and with the backup of its readers, take it to MPs etc and have something useful done and get BSL scrapped and dangourous dog (of any breed) laws totally overhauled to penalise more severly OWNERS NOT THE DOGS. Otherwise as 99% of your readers are not happy, why not end this campain? What do you think editor?
wazza
from liverpool
22:41:13 27 March 2007
Moz wat I'm trying to say is dat i don't think its right to compare people wit animals using analogies or not. der are people for an against this arguement it doesn't make dem more or less intelligent dan anyone else and thou' I respect yer opinions, to me ya appear to be putting down anyone whose ideas are different from yours. dats not an insult to you, from ya comments ya seem an intelligent person, but why not accept dat others also have some very good comments to make. in my case probably not. Ya are right der are in fact 3 breeds (on de limited web site o the KC) that actually have good wit kids as a standard but don't de words affectionate good wit people/humans also take into account kids.
the bsl is a farce for one who is empowered whit the ability or authority to decide what is or isnt a pitbull, secondly why are the government targeting the wrong end of the lead bsl is in my opinion an animal hollocaust as hitler did to the jes during ww2, if the government wises to prevent the breedeing of dangerous dogs it is not a wise move to b so viscious and agressive in the manner of the laws enforcement as this forces the issue undeground where it becomes more of a problem and harder to deal with.
Moz I didn't mention any names when I commented about insulting remarks on this page. And my comments are not directed at any particular person but you have to agree that there are comments that belittle peoples opinions on this page. Anyway, Is it not law in Britain that all dogs on the DDA should be muzzled in public?
Dave I understand what you say but it works here in Spain, you very seldom see hooligans with DD's on the street.
Comments about the labrador many people forget that a labrador is a (perro de ganado) a cattle dog they can be as dangerous as any other dog, generally they are very placid but if they are treated aggressively they will react aggressively. that is not to say that this is the case in France, as I have no knowledge of the incident to comment on what happened there.
